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03-04-07
07:44
maik85,
η (αξιαγαπητη κατα τα αλλα) Ελευθεροτυπια και ο Ιος της Κυριακης, ειχαν δημοσιευσει ολοκληρο αρθρο που "αποδεικνυε" οτι δεν ειπε κατι τετοιο ο Κισσινγκερ.
δλδ ή η Ελευθεροτυπια ή η Turkish Daily λεει ψεμματα...
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]"Kissinger: A 'Progressive' Greek."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]A rather "incidental" item appeared in the magazine Economicos Tachidromos of 14 August 1997. It referred to a speech Henry Kissinger gave years before, during which he said the following:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times] the Middle East. [See note below. ed.][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Were such a condemnatory speech to appear in the Greek press today, regarding -- let us say -- Greece's inability to organize the 2004 Olympic Games ( even if it were a reprint of something said years ago ), there would be a storm of protest and much anger. It would make the front pages of the papers, and would no doubt be the lead story on all of the televised newscasts. The party in power would "strongly condemn" such a statement, and all of the opposition parties would issue their own caustic rejoinders. There would be a veritable "fiesta" of outrage; but, unfortunately, such a reaction would never occur over issues having to do with things that seriously impact the lives of contemporary Hellenes: such things as our language, our ecclesiastical tradition, our history, or the continuation of our culture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]By some strange coincidence, one week before the article in the E.T., the exceedingly "progressive" periodical, Samizdat, published ( 6 August 1997 ) an incognito article that predicted the inevitable and desirable Latinization of our Greek alphabet. It was declared, moreover, that such a development would have a "liberating" affect on contemporary Greek thought. It would seem that the author -- writing under a nom de plume -- has been mobilized to advance the political agenda that Kissinger so blatantly expounded. Are such people paid operatives of some dark conspiratorial power that is seeking to destroy Hellenism? Not really. Quite simply, these individuals are just our run-of-the-mill "progressive" Greek intellectuals, and nothing more.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]The almost total indifference in Greece to the insulting and startlingly revealing declaration by Kissinger is something -- I must confess -- that I am beginning to understand. It is proof positive that the strategy outlined by "Henry the Great" has been deployed and is already showing impressive results. I understand and await the Latinization of our alphabet as an example of things to come; This Latinization will be the result of the strategy that is working against Hellenism. But I was once young and have grown old, and have yet to understand just what kind of Hellas our native-born "progressives" have in mind. What kind of a country do they think will emerge as a result of their agitations on behalf of the Kissingers of the world?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]What is it that they are pursuing and what is it that they fear? For years now I've been following the methodical war they've been waging -- virtually unchallenged -- in the Sunday pages of our "progressive" newspapers: the disdainful formality of their writing, the fanatical ironies and sarcasms, the jeering and the mockery concerning anything having to do with the continuance of our language or the ecclesiastical traditions of our people. We are dealing here -- it would seem to me -- with the psychological hang-ups of a backward peasantry burdened by a naked indifference as to whether our race continues, the quality of our lives, and the future of the native culture of our country. Do these people have an exemplary model, perhaps, of some "advanced" western nation, where the progressive mindset they espouse has worked to bring down the existing establishment? Maybe they have the same faulty vision of the West that [Adamantios] Korais had two centuries ago. Or they may even be anticipating the initial successes Marxism enjoyed in 19th century European thought.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Our "progressive" intellectualism, together with the political agitations of its adherents, are promoted by many who've been educated for years in the West; individuals who've taught in the universities of the West, and who've maintained continuous working relations and social contacts with the scientific and academic communities there. How is it that these people continue to ignore the growing threats against such vital and essential components of our civilization? Such things as our language, religion, and culture. I will contribute my personal observations concerning these questions. I have met, in Western countries, Greek scientists and academicians with decades-long experience as professors and researchers, who are permanently afflicted with the inferiority complex of the backward peasant; the complex they carried with them when they left Greece to go to the West. Their main objective being to persuade the inhabitants of their new environment that they are fully assimilated. And because they've been taught that "Western" means anticlerical, that it is synonymous with having a disdainful view of the falsely characterized "medieval Byzantium," that it requires that one display a sarcastic mockery of any metaphysical speculation, and that one be an ardent proponent of utilitarian rationalism, our "progressive" immigrants strive to embody all of these putative Western concepts. This is how they have imperceptibly imprisoned themselves inside of their inbred peasant inferiority complex. They are perfectly capable practitioners of their particular disciplines, but totally incapable of correctly perceiving the destructive spiritual ethos being promulgated all around them. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]This particular malady -- the psychological complex afflicting our neo-Hellene "progressives" -- is a very difficult if not impossible illness to combat. It can't be cured by mere argument against it, no matter how compelling. I have only one suggestion to make to our political leadership (or to some enterprising private firm): let some responsible international polling company take a survey of European public opinion. How many agree or disagree with Kissinger's statement? How do our European partners envision our country in the future? Do they prefer us without our unique language? Without our religious traditions? Do they want us to be a colorless culture of consumer-drones, devoid of distinctive characteristics? Maybe from such a study our "progressive" political agitators will learn something new and useful. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Article by author, professor, and columnist, Christos Yiannaras, in Kathimerini, 24 August 1997 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Editor's note
There have been those who've questioned the veracity of the statement by Kissinger quoted above. To such people, our argument has been "whether he said it or not is irrelevant. What matters is that everything in this statement is actually happening in the real world." This is precisely the argument we use to those who question the legitimacy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Anyone reading this book -- if he wishes to be fair -- has to admit that the strategies laid out in the Protocols are being implemented worldwide almost exactly to the letter.
But for those to whom these arguments do not persuade we offer the following: Father Yiorgos Mettalinos was one of the guests on Andóni Zisimátos' TV program Me ApopsiΜέ ΄Αποψι) which aired on the 30th of June '03 (. Father Mettalinos is one of the most widely respected individuals in Greece, right up there with Archbishop Christodoulos. He also happens to be a professor of Ecclesiastical History at Athens University (he holds five university degrees, including two doctorates). A man beloved and admired by even those who may disagree with him, his words are not ever taken lightly nor are they uttered frivolously. When Father Mettalinos speaks, most Greeks pay attention. And you can be sure that one of our staff members was paying enough attention to turn on the video recorder when Father Yiorgos mentioned Kissinger during the discussion. Here he is in his own words:
I was studying in Germany when Kissinger made this speech. It was
in 1974, and I was listening to the late Pavlo Bakoyianni's Greek
program out of Munich. The speech was in the English language with
a Greek overvoice translation. I know English and can tell you with
absolute certainty that he made those comments because I heard him
make them.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Σίγουρα κάποιος λέει ψέμματα...και αν κρίνω από τις θέσεις της Ελευθεροτυπ'ιας και του Ιού σε κατά καιρούς θέματα....
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02-04-07
18:18
Δέν με αφορά η θρεισκία σου άλλα ότι και να πιστέυεις όταν έχεις 40 μέρες στις 365 που θές να είσαι ψυχή και σώμα σε αυτό και βγαίνουν κάποιοι επίσεις αυτές τις 365 μέρες να μηλάνε και να σκέπτοντε μόνο τις 40 που θές να αφοσιωθείς δεν σπάζεσε;
Εκτός του ότι θα μπορούσα να σου απαντήσω...κι εσείς γιατί μου τη σπάτε τις υπόλοιπες 325...να σου πω ότι αν νοιώθεις χριστιανή 40 μέρες το χρόνο ΔΕΝ είσαι καλή χριστιανή!
Οι "καλοί" χριστιανοί νηστεύουν πάνω από 200 μέρες το χρόνο και είναι ευλαβείς ΟΛΕΣ τις 365!
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02-04-07
18:04
τώρα ειληκρινή πάμε σε μια άλλη συζήτηση θυμάστε που λέγαμε ότι η ελλάδα πάει χάλια γιατί ότι κάνουν κάνουμε; αυτό μου λές τώρα επιδή αυτοί ειναι συχαμένοι να το κάνω και εγώ;
Αυτό που σου λέω (με βάση τον τίτλο σου) είναι ότι πιο πολύ κακό σου κάνει (η θάπρεπε να σου κάνει) ο αυτοεξεφτελισμός και όχι το τι λένε οι σκεπτικιστές!
Όσο γι'αυτό...
...δεν θα το συζητήσω καθόλου!εμείς νοχλήσαμε ποτέ τους μοαμεθανούς; τους μουσουλμάνους; τους άθεους;
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02-04-07
14:53
κάποιοι κάνουν δυνατές νυστίες
Αφού συμφωνήσω με αυτούς που λένε ότι είναι απλό.μην τα βλέπεις αλλά κι αφού σε ρωτήσω γιατί το αναφέρεις εδώ αφού θες να παραμείνεις "γαλήνια" για να νοιώσεις άνθρωπος (αυτό πάλι δεν το κατάλαβα)...να σου πω τι με πείραξε πιο πολύ εμένα από όλα αυτά που οι σκεπτικιστές από καιρού εις καιρόν αναφέρουν?(Όχι πως έχουν άδικο)!για απατεωνιές των παπάδων;
Βγήκε μια είδηση για έναν λογαριασμό δείπνου που παρέθεσε στις 25 Μαρτίου ο Παρασκευαίδης (κατά κόσμον Αρχιεπίσκοπος) και που ήταν εξωφρενικός!
7500 ευρά για ένα δείπνο,που ήταν λιτό (κατά δήλωση της Αρχιεπισκοπής) αφού συμπεριελάμβανε απλά,φιλέτο με σως μελιτζάνας και σαλάτα εποχής!
Και αφού ΟΛΟΙ ασχολήθηκαν με το ύψος του ποσού που στοίχισε ΚΑΝΕΙΣ δεν ασχολήθηκε με το δογματικό του θέματος!'
Δηλαδή,ότι οι μαυρορασοφόροι έτρωγαν ΚΡΕΑΣ εν μέσω Σαρακοστής!!!!
ΚΙ ΕΣΥ...ΝΗΣΤΕΥΕΙΣ!
Θά'πρεπε δλδ να βάλεις στον τίτλο "Άγιες μέρες και αυτοεξευτελισμός (των παπάδων)"!
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